This is the transcript of the explosive original testimony of Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye) who claims he served on Mars as part of an elite Mars Defense Force for just over 17 years. The main purpose was to protect a “Mars Colony Corporation” that had five civilian settlements on Mars from indigenous Martians. In the interview, Cramer describes how he traveled to secret Moon base to sign papers committing him to a 20 year tour of duty. He was then transported to a military base on Mars where his unit engaged in territorial battles with the native Reptilian and Insectoid Martians. This was Cramer’s second interview in a five part series where he described his training as a child super soldier to serve as a member of an elite Marine Corps unit that provides personnel for a secret space program with military bases on the Moon, Mars and other parts of the solar system.
The audio of the skype interview was released on April 8 2014, and was the first time Cramer had come forward with his total recall of events that occurred during his 20 year service from 1987 to 2007. In an earlier interview with Eve Lorgen in 2006, Cramer used the pseudonym Zed and described what he recalled at the time of his contact experiences with several extraterrestrial races. Cramer claims that in 2014, he was authorized to reveal his secret space program experiences through his military superiors in the USMC special section.
Original Skype Audio Interview published through ExoNews.TV at https://youtu.be/YCTYkYcYuI0
M.S. Michael Salla
R.C. Randy Cramer (Capt, USMC ss)
[0.00] Red timestamp refers to the time in the interview
Note. Randy Cramer used the pseudonym Captain Kaye in the five part series of interviews published in April 2014. Linguistic redundancies such as you know, so, and, ah, etc. have been removed when appropriate for correct grammar and ease of reading. An ellipsis will signify removed text to correct grammar or eliminate reduncies. Timestamps will enable the reader to locate the relevant audio passages.
Formatting: All questions are bold highlighted, and normal text is the response by Randy Cramer (Captain Kaye).
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Transcript of Interview conducted via Skype[Click here for Part 2]
M.S. We are back with Captain Kaye and we are going to be discussing, what is the series of events that happened after he completed Project Moonshadow around the age of 17, and when he went off to do his service with the US Marine (Corps) special section. Randy why dont you tell us what happened once you completed or graduated from the Project Moon Shadow.
R.C. Sure, it was a pretty short span of time between completing the program and then I would say there was about a 90 day period where a lot of the final testing, where OK, weve spent as much time as we going to spend training this thing, and spent as much time as we have building it, now we have to really see if its going to do what its going to do under a lot of different conditions. So there was an interesting 90 day period of going to a lot of different places as far as ecozones, as far as temperatures, environmental zones around the planet, to see how we operate under different conditions, and different scenarios. Sometimes working with or playing war games with other special forces units. In some cases actual live fire training exercizes where for us its a testing exercise, but for somebody else in another country its very real and theyre dead because of it. They were the live fire exercise that we got to be tested on. But certainly considered not a threatening enough force that youre going to send your high tech machinery and get them damaged or something. You can pretty much guarantee that if theyre not broken, the other team is going to have no chance of winning.
Armed forces around the world have lots of AK47s and no shoes. These guys are not very equipped against skilled armed forces. If youre in a test scenario, sure, why not send five of your supersoldiers against 50 of those guys and see how they do. Because you know your guys are going to win, but you want to see how they test under live conditions thats a safe test. So after 90 days of that, then I was picked up under a regular routine pick up in the middle of the night, and then taken to Lunar Operations Command, and checked [into] a small living quarters area which is not much more than a jail cell size, but not a jail cell, I mean much more civilized than that. Not meant to make you feel like a caged animal, but about the same size [with] a sink and a bathroom off to the side, a little desk and a chair. Your typical set up, like a college dorm or anything. Were checked into that and told to wait until the sound of the bell out in the hall, and that was when everyone was supposed to come out and go to the hallway at the end of the door.
Before that, two military personnel, but again [wearing] whatever sort of LOC jumpsuits, battleship gray with some gold fringe. There were two of those they looked like maybe standard security guards, not much more than that or anything else. They werent heavily armed, but they had side arms. They escorted us, me, one at a time, as far as I could observe seeing other people coming and going in the same hallway being escorted by another two of these individuals in their gray suits with the gold fringe, and was taken to a large waiting area outside what was clearly a large bank of cubicles in which a lot of bureaucrats in various military uniforms were pushing paperwork. A lot of people were sitting around waiting for their names or their numbers to be called up, to be signaled to come and speak to these people. Its a fairly large well lit area where everything is done, in yellow or goldish colors. That was the color scheme at that time anyway. Fashion or any other thing could have changed that by now, but at the time it was meant to be and sort of feel like a bright sunflower yellow. Like youre waiting for the dentist or something, but in a really big room.
After some time of waiting, youre called to come and sit down in a cubicle and have a junior officer in a uniform which I dont quite recognize, but he identified [himself] as being an Air Force officer. This is an Air Force uniform that Im not familiar with as far as seeing in the regular part of the Air Force. So Im suspecting this had something to do again, with a parallel Air Force branch and what their uniforms look like, but since Im not super familiar with them, Im only guessing at that.
He then pulls out a stack of paperwork and says, heres your contract, Im supposed to go over this with you, and talk about any questions you have, and get you to initial and sign in the right places, and then you move along. There was some kind of discussion of him saying, OK, this is what you are going to do, youre signing for a 20 year tour of service, but again dont worry, its going to be alright. Youll be done, well wipe all those ugly memories out of your head that youre not going to want to remember anyway, and then well interject you back to right after we took you and age reversal, and youll get to live your whole life all over again, and itll be fine. You wont lose any time, you wont lose any years, and in fact youll come back to a nice cushy job. Well take care of you, youll be fine. Lots of reassurances that its no big deal. Everyone does this every day, its just the way we do things now. A certain amount of explaining whats in the paper work, and whats in the contract, and [you] just initial and sign in all the right places.
After not much debate or discussion, I had a few questions and he answered them, and eventually I realized as he was explaining, look, you know, we sign this paperwork and you can move out of here. You can walk out of here to do your next thing, or we can sit here and talk a really long time about the paperwork that you have to eventually sign anyway. He was a nice enough guy, he wasnt being a jerk about it or anything. But it was clear, this has to be done. Paperwork has to be signed, and if I have any questions, ask them, but it really doesnt matter. Just sign and well move on. And so after that was done, then being escorted back to the temporary living quarters, and then being told to go ahead and take a break. Again wait for a bell in the hall, and then kind of dozing off, not sure for how long, hearing the bell in the hallway and then going out, going down to a long hallway, doorway at the end of this hallway. Everyone who is in these temporary quarter living rooms is coming out into the hall, and heading on down.
Then we open up to larger doors, which then opens up to a much larger room, a hangar bay essentially we were right off the hangar bay. Theres a very large vehicle, I would call it more of a delta or bat wing shape, as opposed to round shape or disc shaped. More of a delta triangle, but maybe wider. What you would call a bat type shape, but pretty tall as far as from the bottom to the top part of the vehicle, I would say it was thirty, thirty-five feet. It looked like it was multiple stories and levels inside which appeared to be the case when we were inside, and the wingspan was probably, hard to judge distances like that, from that level, but Id say it was easily between four hundred and five hundred feet wide, wingspan, from tip to tip. Then nose to tail, less than 150 feet. The front section had a large rounded nose on it, and you could see there was a slightly curved window, surface was curved, that appeared to be where the pilots might be sitting or operating from. It was pretty high up, kind of like [the cockpit] in a 747 which is up higher than the main part of the vehicle, kind of similar to that, but again with the dimensions I stated.
So I got in there, there were lots of reclining lounge seats, that sort of memory foam thing. You kind of sink in, you hear this air moving sound that kind of gets to form around, it gets a good grip apparently on your body. Theres some strap ends, and after some time of everybody fiddling and getting ready, once everyone is secure, theres a few people that help everyone get sorted out if anyone is confused. Then the lights in the vehicle dim, and not unlike in an airplane, you hear the pilot over the speaker saying, welcome everybody Ill be your captain for this shuttle flight from Lunar Operations Command to your next station which you will not have clearance to know until we arrive. As soon as you arrive youll have security clearance to know where your destination is, but until we go there, youre not cleared. Before we leave we are not cleared to know where the destination is, but the moment we arrive at our destination, then were cleared to know where we are. I think that was very amusing, in my own sort of way. I get amused about the way they do security, and make these levels of secrecy and clearance.
He did something interesting, which I wasnt expecting. He said, none of you are going to see home for a very long time, its going to be a while. And so before we go were going to take one last look, and everyone is going to take one last good look at home, and give us a moment to think about why you want to come back, and why you want to protect the people and the family that are there, and why this is something worth fighting for, or something to that effect. He said then, well pause and take a good long glance for a minute, and then well be off, and wont be back for 20 years.
Interestingly enough, the feeling inside the vehicle when he pulled out of the hangar bay and positioned himself at whatever distance he was from the earth, whatever perfect distance they wanted so that when the visual array came on, and the ceilings became a projection of what the vehicle was seeing in front of it. You had, not unlike in a planetarium when you are lying back in a chair and you, by artificially having that space projected on the ceiling, can have [a] feeling or experience that youre in space, or that space is around you. When youre moving you get that sense youre having artificial movement or something like that. Pretty much a similar way by having a big projection, a very clear projection in front of you of whats happening. You really had a sense that we were all hovering in space in these chairs, staring out at Earth, getting our big look for the last time, and it was awe-inspiring. It absolutely stands out as one of the most amazing moments in my entire life. The moment I was at the perfect position, staring at the planet and being able to see it in its entirety. And not in a picture, it was there. It was moving and the clouds were moving, and the lightning storms were flickering and theres activity thats moving very slowly or very slight of it so far away you cant see but you know its there, and theres an ability to see thats not anything like you could see it any other way. I mean seeing it in a picture is not the same, seeing a really good high definition image on a big screen just isnt the same. Having the sense of being so huge that you are right there looking at it, Having that image be so clear that it looked like you were looking at the real image and the ceiling wasnt there, but it was there, Im sure. It was just awesome.
You know it was amazing to see that there was this entire thing thats alive, its very clear from looking at Earth from space that shes alive. Thats not just because theres life on the surface of her, or just because we live there. Theres something very clear when you see this giant ball in space that its alive, and that theres all kinds of people there. You dont see borders. Its a world without borders when youre staring at it from space. Theres no lines that divide the countries. So you dont look at it and think theres America, theres the United States. Hey theres Germany. You say oh wow, thats North America connected to South America, thats Europe connected to Asia, and connected to Africa. You really just see that its all connected and doesnt have dividing lines, and from that perspective, whatever anybody could be bickering or arguing about down on the surface seems incredibly small, literally incredibly small, and you just get this sense that wow, Im really in a special place. Not just staring at this thing, not just looking at her, but Im in special place that I get to do something where I get to help keep her safe, and everyone who lives there safe, and all life that lives there now safe, and maybe if Im lucky, all people who will ever live there, and all life that will ever live there safe in the future because of something that I do now. That just stuck with me, and struck me. I had a moment where I felt awe inspired, awe struck and that irregardless of however this was going to end up, this was OK, and this was special and I felt alright about that, and I felt completely OK with being in that special position. I was OK with that responsibility. I was happy about that. I was OK with it. It was just an amazing experience.
M.S. You want to maybe explain a little about Lunar Operations Command. I mean is it on the Farside of the Moon, is it an underground facility, how big is it?
R.C. Thats a good question and I cant answer all those questions because I only had seen a certain amount of it. What I saw coming in to land was a certain sizable base on the surface, in which theres a large, large landing platform. Its kind of terraced up from the ground, from the lunar surface, and the platform, you could have put three or four of these things [triangular shaped craft] on top of there. It was probably almost a square mile platform on which to land things on, or at least half that or more. Then there were some smaller vehicles, kind of lined up in a row. A few, almost concert-like buildings, but they were huge, they were really big, they had a rounded feature. A couple of very large squarish rectangular buildings that didnt seem anything extraordinary or unusual, and then once inside, a number of hallways, elevators, that clearly went down to the subsurface, below the lunar surface. I got the impression from the times I was there, and the areas I got to see that the place was absolutely massive. That station that I was at was at least the size of a medium city, at least. There was probably more than one of those medium size city complexes on the back side of the moon that we have something to do with, and are terrestrial controlled, but there are also, from what I understand, because the backside of the moon has been used for so long, by so many different species.
Its kind of like Antarctica, it has these different areas where different countries and people can say we got this area, and we got this, and everybody respects everybodys claim or area. So there are a number of areas that have been habituated by a number of different ETs that have had bases there for a long time, and theyre not going anywhere, apparently. Whether people are friendly or hostile, its kind of a neutral territory, so theres places where those who dont get along with others, cannot/be not too far from each other. But they dont attack each other, they respect each others neutral space there on the back side of the moon, for whatever reason that the contracts, diplomatic arrangements is for that.
I think it because it goes back such a very long time that everyone respects it. From what I also understand theres been a couple times when war did come to the back side of the moon and it was bad enough in such a way that everyone said no, no, not here. This is neutral space for everybody to do what they need to do, but we cant fight here or else we could risk losing the whole thing to somebody else or something. I think that was the deal. So I think its a pretty interesting mix of whos there, whats there, were there. Whats spread out over just what Ive seen and what has been discussed with me. Clearly, not even all of what is there and whats known about it has been part of my knowledge, my privy to what Ive been briefed on. Thats about as much as I know about Lunar Operations Command.
M.S. The Shuttle craft that was taking you to its destination, do you know what the capacity of that was?
RC. I would have to guess because it was clearly multiple floors or levels in the interior and where I was at was clearly one area, and one floor and one interior, and whether the levels above and below were the same, or whether they were occupied by other cargo, storage, machinery or technology, I dont know. If I was going to guess I would have to say that it had a capacity to move a capacity between a thousand and two thousand troops at a time. Maybe more.
M.S. OK, thats quite big.
R.C. It was definitely built to move bodies for the most part. Again Im only presuming maybe some other parts were also cargo. But it was definitely designed to move a lot of people the way it was set up.
M.S. With the papers that you signed was there any kind of description as to which particular service you were signing up for? Was it a more nebulous entity? What details do you remember from the papers that you signed? Who were you signing the next 20 years over to?
R.C. I was signing the next 20 years over to the Earth Defense Force, as a marine, as a United States Marine. Thats a question I asked, so Im glad you asked this question . I was like, OK, who am I working for, what am I going to be here, help define this for me. He said, well youre a marine, right, and I said Yes. He says, youre still going to be a marine, you will always be a United States Marine, that is always what and who you will be. He said, but this is a contract, we are contracting you to the Earth Defense Force. The Earth Defense Force, once youve contracted to them, will have the ability to sub-contract you to one of the other organizations that needs people, or parcel you out to any number of EDF stations throughout the solar system. He was like, ah, most of them are boring, youll probably going to be guarding nothing, or listening to nothing, or you might get a really boring job on the ground somewhere. He was really very [much] playing whatever was going to happen down, or wherever I might be, down. Which, not knowing where other people end up, I cant say whether thats part of the routine recruiters do, or whether hes just trying to be honest. I think he was more just trying to get me to be happy with whatever his answers were so I would initial and sign so he could go on to the next person.
He said, youre going to be a member of EDF, and depending on where they send you from that point, will depend on what uniform you wear, and what people call you and what rank and so forth you hold. But youll always be a marine, and you may be something else temporarily or you may have to do something else temporarily. Youre going to know that as soon as you get to where youre getting. Part of his explanation was, look, I cant tell you what youre doing next because Im not cleared for that.
He said, all I know is that when you sign these papers it will set other actions into motion so that when you board the shuttle that leaves, another set of papers will be issued to you that will be opened upon your arrival. Those will be your new orders and your new assignment, and everything that you need to know. But before you leave, you dont have a need to know that yet. Its going to be in another file and when you get there, that will be handed to you, and youll get to know where you are, and someone will explain that to you.
So he was vague enough, but tried to be reassuring enough that I wasnt going to lose my identity, or that I was not going to be a marine, or sign over to some other organization that would compromise my values or ethics as a marine. He wanted me to feel comfortable about that, and just secure in the knowledge that we do this every day and its all going to be normal and fine, and its just go to be fine which is what he wanted me to be reassured of. But he was vague enough because they werent cleared to know that answer yet, so I wasnt going to find out until I got to the destination.
M.S. So at that point in time, your knowledge of the Earth Defense Force was that similar to some kind of multinational covert agency dealing with space operations, kind of analogous to the United Nations where you can have different branches of the US [military] serving in different capacities, peacekeepers, advisers and so forth. In a sense, this is what was happening in space with the Earth Defense Force.
R.C. Yes, correct. My knowledge is that was basically correct and that again since my actual knowledge or briefing on this information at this time, at that time, was limited. I did get a debriefing when I got back 20 years later which, there was a little bit more. There was a farewell ceremony, a kind of big thing. I do remember at that time getting a little more of a speech about the goals and purpose of the Earth Defense Force and why it was put together. Essentially, in a similar way that these other separate parallel organizations were created. The Earth Defense Force was a parallel yet separate organization that was created mostly out of bodies out of the United Nations. Probably centered around the Security Council, because theyre the Security Council and they co-opt anything that has to do with defense and security. So pretty much out of the Security Council, the bodies that would form the EDF were formed and put together. This parallel organization was formed and stationed off of Lunar Operations Command so they would have as little contact with the surface as possible so that there would be as little possible bleed for security as possible. It would essentially create this sphere around the planet, and outside the planet to protect it from all things that might be harmful which we had come to know by that time. There were a few things that we should be concerned about and that just standing around with open arms was not going to be a good policy. We should have some kind of perimeter defense for whatever is coming next, or for whatever our next step into the intergalactic brotherhood is. You dont necessarily want to do that without a guard dog on your front yard.
M.S. OK, so what was the destination and what was revealed to you when you arrived there.
R.C. The destination was Mars, it was the Mars Colony Corporation headquarters. There were five settlements, the main settlement was called something like Mars Prime; no sorry, it was Aries Prime. They are real creative. Instead of calling it Mars they called it Aries. So Aries Prime was the primary settlement, and the first settlement where the Mars Colony Corporation headquarters was. Then there were four additional settlements where I never set foot on. From Aries Prime [where] we were, we landed, and set foot on to a platform there and walked in to a very large facility right across the open Martian plateau which was hot, and [with] a cold breeze and thin but breathable air. The temperature range is quite wide so you really dont spend any time out in the open Martian desert without an environment suit. Absolutely not, its pretty fatal to do so. I think that there was some dome shielding protection and we were kind of like down Aries Prime, down in a crater almost. Theres a natural canyon wall that kind of comes up round, it sunk in so the wind doesnt hit it too hard. It was that particular time that we came out, it was, it felt like a hot day but there was a very cold wind that was blowing and you felt like you came out at 8000 or 9000 feet or something like that. The air was very thin, but totally breathable. I was really quite surprised to be honest, to have them just open up the door and say alright head for that other door and have us walk right outside but we did.
M.S. Was the Martian terrain as we see in NASA photographs, with the red sky, and the reddish soil?
R.C. Yes, absolutely. Its red, red, red everywhere because certainly all that iron oxide thats left on the surface. It makes the main reflection red everywhere you look, and so not unlike, Im trying to think now. Yes it was red sand, rocky, sandy from very fine textured sand to big boulder rocks, and very red. The only exception is sunrise and sunset, which for some strange reason, I shouldnt maybe say a strange reason because its physics I suppose, theres a period of time for maybe 15 or 20 minutes depending on the season when the sun is dropping below the horizon and it goes from red to purple. For about 15 mins everything turns this amazing shade of purple. The Martian sunsets for that reason, theyre not that bright, because the sun is pretty far away, but also amazed at how much light, being that far away, you still have. I distrust some of the things that people say about life on other planets and living on other planets, having been to another one and going, you know this is little different than what I thought it would be and what people said it is. Yes that sun is dimmer farther away, but its still amazing how [much] light you cast when you stick out your hand, or how much shadow is being cast when you look to see behind you to see what your shadow has cast. Its still quite a lot of light but that purple thing really at sunset and at sunrise, is just really amazing, its really cool, and its short you only get to see one time of day, but its kind of dim purple everywhere.
M.S. Can you tell us about Aries Prime. When was that settlement first established, who are the colonists, and was it run by a particular country like the US, or was it multinational, or was it a corporate entity in charge.
R.C. My understanding is that the Mars Colony Corporation, again like every other part of the EDF [Earth Defense Force] is put together from parcels, service persons, scientists, advisors, engineers, business people, anybody that you want to put into the pool to be utilized, is put into the pool, and from those pools, decision makers pull out names and make lists of people that decide to do things. My understanding is that the Mars Colony Corporation was set up by multinational interests so that of all these different countries that participate they got together with their various parcels of business people, engineers, mining people, military advisors, intel people to get together because we need to form the Mars Colony Corporation so that we can go there and make it profitable. You know we cant just spend trillions of dollars going to Mars for purposes of exploration without finding ways of extracting resources from it and make it pay for itself. Otherwise its just not going to go. So it was put together, all those various individuals, I dont know exactly who they were, or who picked them, or what that process is other than whatever individual processes those countries have to put people into the pool, and which ever committees out of the [UN] Security Council, the EDF, or MJ-12 or ACIO [Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization] will get to decide then who does what.
The Mars Colony Corporation was set up in about 1974/1975. My understanding is that we were on Mars the very first time around the mid-60s, but really didnt try to do anything serious, or really prepared to do anything with that until the 1970s. My understanding is that our first exploratory mission that was sent there to stay any length of time was 1970. Then after a few years it was decided that we were ready to go ahead and establish a Mars Colony Corporation foothold, and set up a few settlements and attempt to do some mining, and extract some resources to make it pay for itself. Apparently that was about 1975, when the Mars Colony Corporation set foot on Mars and started its first mining operation. That was 1975 to my understanding, as I was briefed.
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